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Report says China is squeezing U.S. firms out of its massive

Dallas News -- WASHINGTON – U.S. companies are getting squeezed out of the big Chinese wind-power market even as Dallas investors are bringing Chinese firms here via a big wind farm in Texas, according to a new industry report.

"They've used every measure you could possibly think of to enhance production of renewable energy equipment in China," said report author Alan Wolff of the trade law firm Dewey & LeBoeuf LLP.

U.S. Trade Representative Ron Kirk won a pledge from the Chinese last fall to drop rules giving preference to Chinese makers of wind-power equipment. But Kirk's office hasn't seen any evidence that the pledge has been carried out, said spokeswoman Carol Guthrie.

Meanwhile, Chinese manufacturers are entering the U.S. wind market under a joint venture led by Dallas investor Cappy McGarr.

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Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,795 Points:657,410 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 9:04:32 AM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse FordF2502001 writes: I hope we can now get beyond this health care disaster and get to creating jobs here. ____ We have gotten past the health care disaster, or at least taken a large step towards doing so now that the bill has passed. And in six months when people see that it's not the disaster that has been predicted by fearmongers, people will wonder what the big deal was. The cost of health care insurance is a big disincentive not to hire.
UncleCurt Champion Author Winnipeg Posts:4,583 Points:779,215 Joined:Feb 2009	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 3:49:38 AM Ignore UncleCurt Report Abuse Wow, the panic, the shouts for protectionism. Many of the so called supporters of capitalism and free market on this site are the same time not fans of the global economy fostered by the very system you claim to support. Many of you call your government "socialist" then you ironically advocate Protectionism in contradiction the certain principles of capitalism. THINK! Did you expect the world would just set by and let U.S. stay superpower forever? Who was advocating progress and is now left behind? The renewable energy technology as CruisinLinda pointed out is spreading. Making renewable energy technology cheaper and more competitive should not be derided but encouraged. Rise up and met the global market challenge, complaining and isolating yourselves with protectionism can often have unintended and at times disastrous circumstances in a global economy. As the articles said: "Putting a moratorium on wind projects could have the unintended consequence of making your market less stable and slowing the growth in employment,"
NHLiveFree Champion Author New Hampshire Posts:7,205 Points:1,170,885 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 1:31:07 AM Ignore NHLiveFree Report Abuse Speaking of Chinese dumping. I just assembled a new Sears Kenmore grill that was purchased for Xmas. It had been ordered online and picked up at a local Sears store. Immediately upon opening the carton, I realized something was drastically wrong. Opened the instructions and tried to start the first step of assembly. I could not locate half the parts because nothing in the carton was labeled with part names or numbers. Plastic wheels were inside a food storage container that was inside an unmarked cardboard box. What should have been a 20 to 30 minute assembly turned into 3 hours. The hardware was extremely cheap, fit was poor, stainless steel hood was poorly formed. Black painted metal parts had rough and sharp edges with an uneven paint finish. The one part that explained it all was the lower front cover that had the only label on the back side. It read "Made in China"!!! Thanks Sears for following Uncle Wally's lead and also GE's. Don't lower your prices, just maximize your profits and stick it to us all. Good luck to any wind power farms in the USA or around the world that gets more true Chinese JUNK!
LetemEatCake Champion Author Oklahoma City Posts:2,988 Points:767,005 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 22, 2010 12:37:26 AM Ignore LetemEatCake Report Abuse FordF2502001 from Mississippi... Your coments are not appropriate (on-topic) for this thread; you lost, get oever it. CruisinLinda and coughlin are right on point! Good comments! Cheepo from Tampa... Your comments sure sound like bigoted spew! Haven't heard that kind of talk since Korea....they do not belong of GB.
my2002m Champion Author Tulsa Posts:3,779 Points:1,204,745 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 10:58:07 PM Ignore my2002m Report Abuse Like this is new? They have always done this and will continue to do this. They are protecting their own economy. Our government needs to wake up, not likely to happen with the spend happy group we have now though.
my3sons Champion Author New York Posts:4,455 Points:1,506,535 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 9:24:14 PM Ignore my3sons Report Abuse typical of the chinese, use us and then take the technology home
CruisinLinda Champion Author Tallahassee Posts:7,947 Points:1,621,420 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 9:22:54 PM Ignore CruisinLinda Report Abuse Every day the world gets smaller and smaller so there is no sure way to label a product as being from only one country. The important thing is that wind turbines are becoming more plentiful.
coughlin Champion Author San Jose Posts:3,336 Points:755,050 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 8:05:25 PM Ignore coughlin Report Abuse When dealing with China and when coming to an agreement with them, our country (and any / every country) has to devise a PLAN B, C, D, and E in the event that China does not live up to their end of the bargain. China is in such powerful positions in almost every aspect of the World Economy. That's the way the U.S. used to be viewed by many, and still are by some.
FordF2502001 Champion Author Mississippi Posts:5,678 Points:1,154,720 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 8:02:23 PM Ignore FordF2502001 Report Abuse I hope we can now get beyond this health care disaster and get to creating jobs here.
DerHahn Champion Author Illinois Posts:11,147 Points:1,653,265 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 8:02:00 PM Ignore DerHahn Report Abuse everyone else knows not to trust the chinese government, businesses are too greedy to think this way.
PathfinderSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:7,165 Points:1,365,980 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 7:23:45 PM Ignore PathfinderSC Report Abuse Before it is all done, Big business will hate the day they went to China.
clermont40miles Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:7,573 Points:1,308,505 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 5:15:39 PM Ignore clermont40miles Report Abuse Chinese dumping of wind power hardware. They have a glut because of insufficient grid. And we have the same problem in the US. A rush to generation with little attention to the grid.
TheDix Champion Author Ontario Posts:2,000 Points:359,270 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:50:02 PM Ignore TheDix Report Abuse Make your votes count.
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,795 Points:657,410 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:27:17 PM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse Cheap products? Nope. The Chinese are as capable of making equipment to specifications as anyone.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,265 Points:1,333,725 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:25:13 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Chinese companies go to Texas to learn. All they want to do is sell their cheap products to the U.S. and Chinese markets.
soakmonkey All-Star Author Nevada Posts:707 Points:745,355 Joined:Feb 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:11:00 PM Ignore soakmonkey Report Abuse hmmm
Houckster Champion Author Atlanta Posts:7,795 Points:657,410 Joined:Sep 2003	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 4:03:03 PM Ignore Houckster Report Abuse POLELANE writes: Our government is too busy socializing medicine to compete in the world market for heavy machinery; new technology, and free enterprise systems ____ It is this kind of silly thinking that gets us in trouble.
POLELANE Champion Author Ohio Posts:7,148 Points:828,370 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:24:36 PM Ignore POLELANE Report Abuse Our government is too busy socializing medicine to compete in the world market for heavy machinery; new technology, and free enterprise systems
WCCurtis Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:3,304 Points:1,360,820 Joined:Oct 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:21:56 PM Ignore WCCurtis Report Abuse First it was Japan and now China. OPEC takes advantage of us with Oil. Who is next? The rate the Government is going we might as roll over and play dead.
highdesertman Champion Author Albuquerque Posts:1,202 Points:1,309,720 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:20:43 PM Ignore highdesertman Report Abuse The Chinese can only be trusted to do whatever it takes to boost their own economy and to hell with the rest of the world. It's the primary means they have for keeping their people from revolting at the lack of political freedom.
TBONE3 Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:6,388 Points:1,510,745 Joined:Mar 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:09:51 PM Ignore TBONE3 Report Abuse China is outdoing us in almost all areas. Wake UP America before we are a third world country. Get to the ballot boxes and work for moves back to the good old US of A!!!!
TBRR Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:2,173 Points:364,915 Joined:Dec 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:09:44 PM Ignore TBRR Report Abuse any business that has it head on straight will move to a cheaper labor market free of unions.
TAT36 Champion Author Florida Posts:4,433 Points:845,495 Joined:Sep 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:07:46 PM Ignore TAT36 Report Abuse Is this any wonder. With the number of people they have they could out manufacture almost any country in the world if they bring in the people from the outland to work.
Asbury09 Champion Author Iowa Posts:4,973 Points:1,070,730 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 3:05:26 PM Ignore Asbury09 Report Abuse our days of being a world leadee may be numbered
oldosc8 Champion Author Baltimore Posts:1,541 Points:377,180 Joined:Nov 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:59:36 PM Ignore oldosc8 Report Abuse How long will the China made wind turbines last in the US? Will the turbines fall apart after so many hours of use? The cost to maintain the wind turbines might out cost to build them.
imadriver Veteran Author Twin Cities Posts:491 Points:284,140 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:59:22 PM Ignore imadriver Report Abuse I am glad that we have people monitoring this. We are continually reminded that we exist in a global economy; however, I suggest that we not continue to fill the coffers of a nation that: a) already has attained billions of US dollars, b) holds US loans for billions more, c) has the worlds largest national population, and d) has military might. Let's remember the wise words of that great American President, Ronald Reagan: "Trust, but verify."
rippinusoff Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,054 Points:1,022,000 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:58:15 PM Ignore rippinusoff Report Abuse China still has a lot of problems... this is a bump in the road for us
amearly Champion Author Michigan Posts:9,750 Points:2,003,555 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:58:00 PM Ignore amearly Report Abuse As long has we have the government we have now and we owe china everything they own us.
2907 Champion Author Kentucky Posts:1,525 Points:843,590 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:57:03 PM Ignore 2907 Report Abuse They will stop at nothing. But can they continue to be successful and keep their citizens happy?
LocalSpyGuy Champion Author Tampa Posts:5,479 Points:1,120,320 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:56:51 PM Ignore LocalSpyGuy Report Abuse respect everyone but trust no one
TFowler513 Champion Author Memphis Posts:2,582 Points:978,110 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:56:13 PM Ignore TFowler513 Report Abuse China is the new economic super power. We will be in debt to them forever!!!
nd73 All-Star Author Grand Rapids Posts:778 Points:415,685 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:54:33 PM Ignore nd73 Report Abuse During the "Cold War" with Russia, fearful of a Soviet invasion, the popular mantra was, "Better dead than Red." I guess our philosophy has changed to "It's mellow to be Yellow!" Better brush up on your Mandarin so you're ready for the Chinese takeover of America.
Skipper52 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:5,059 Points:1,131,325 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:53:23 PM Ignore Skipper52 Report Abuse No surprise here. The Chinese will say anything to get what they want and then not come threw on there end.
Iversonfan Champion Author Richmond Posts:1,039 Points:72,240 Joined:Jan 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:52:02 PM Ignore Iversonfan Report Abuse remember when the US was the super power of the world thanks george bush thanks a lot
PADI Champion Author Ontario Posts:3,835 Points:1,004,200 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:47:37 PM Ignore PADI Report Abuse China has become the power to deal with in alot of aspects, we have to be careful.
ED6 Champion Author Riverside Posts:7,542 Points:1,469,620 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:47:36 PM Ignore ED6 Report Abuse We have to remember that the Goal of Communism is world dominance.
snewwee Champion Author Detroit Posts:6,181 Points:1,250,000 Joined:Sep 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:42:17 PM Ignore snewwee Report Abuse The Chinese are becoming a world power to reckon with. Their production is growing in leaps and bounds with a work force than can match ours for less money.
smoketown Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:3,984 Points:932,615 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:36:46 PM Ignore smoketown Report Abuse Just mote lead paint to blow over Dallas area............
kingpin6 Champion Author Arkansas Posts:2,567 Points:1,188,390 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:35:51 PM Ignore kingpin6 Report Abuse Can anyone speak Chinese? If not, guess we all better learn as they are taking over the country!
FlyNFool Champion Author South Carolina Posts:5,955 Points:1,222,280 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:30:36 PM Ignore FlyNFool Report Abuse We are screwed!
Valricoslash Champion Author Tampa Posts:4,290 Points:886,470 Joined:Nov 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:27:01 PM Ignore Valricoslash Report Abuse I knew it! We are building windfams with the Chineese. I am sure the generators are being produced in China and not by US labor, while, at the same time we send the bluprints for the technology over to them. The Obama administration talks the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk he is out of touch and FUBAR.
Jeff1944 Champion Author South Dakota Posts:3,088 Points:677,810 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:26:29 PM Ignore Jeff1944 Report Abuse Do you remember why NAFTA was supported? Are we a victim of our own demise?
balljars Champion Author Michigan Posts:6,135 Points:1,217,150 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:25:04 PM Ignore balljars Report Abuse Well what did you expect.
sit Champion Author Cleveland Posts:2,891 Points:1,470,690 Joined:Feb 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:22:41 PM Ignore sit Report Abuse The gov hasn't got a clue.... we got the bird flu vac, health care, but no jobs and no drill drill drilling. Hmmmm, we just sit on our butt.
planetmail Champion Author Calgary Posts:4,113 Points:832,785 Joined:Jan 2009	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:21:13 PM Ignore planetmail Report Abuse Manufacturing industries have been moving to China. China has been buying up the US debt. China is becoming more of a resource user. Could China surpass the United States as the leading superpower and consumer of the worlds goods? Scary
Patch44 Champion Author Buffalo Posts:5,603 Points:1,356,785 Joined:Oct 2007	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:14:44 PM Ignore Patch44 Report Abuse And we sit back and let it happen!
jony Champion Author Florida Posts:5,229 Points:1,245,950 Joined:May 2006	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:02:24 PM Ignore jony Report Abuse just exactly would you expect from Country that already owns a big part of the US
Sam195 Champion Author San Bernardino Posts:5,755 Points:1,115,000 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:01:11 PM Ignore Sam195 Report Abuse It's time for some serious trade sanction against the Chinese. If we stop buying their goods, so many Chinese will be thrown out of work they will have a revolution.
SSchmidty Champion Author Illinois Posts:6,958 Points:1,324,410 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:01:08 PM Ignore SSchmidty Report Abuse Time will show more clearly their captialistic business drivers that have clearly been in evidence since 1984!!!!
nigelb Champion Author Virginia Posts:6,289 Points:959,570 Joined:Feb 2008	Message Posted: Mar 21, 2010 2:00:35 PM Ignore nigelb Report Abuse HockeyLady - we won't have much to bu if we keep Chinese products away from the US - Walmart's shelves will be bare!